Hi Harold,

Thank you for reflecting on this and thank you for engaging in such a discussion which is prompted by my own simple observations that I am forever suprised why in e-learning there seems so much fuzz about tools so that often we talk about nothing but tools.

Compared with the building industry, architects do not pride themselves with which kind of tool they used to create their products: buildings, suburbs, streets, towns.

I am a little confused because what you describe above is what I would call 'Learning outcomes'.

But are learning outcomes really the same as learning products? Is the learning process (discussions, reflective writing, learning to learn etc) not like the building process, a needed discipline on how to get there but where? Are our learning products MBAs, diplomas, certificates, are the CD Roms, WBT or gadgets?

Thank you for allowing me to think out loud. I am aware that I sound confused.