In reply to Chris Rodgers.

Very good points, Chris. Given your statement: "Viewing organizations as dynamic networks of self-organizing conversations also means that there is no “inside” and “outside” in the conventional sense." I would think that no conventional organization fits that description. Almost all organizations have hierarchies and boundaries between inside & outside. These are the organizations that Shirky says are getting too complex, and that is the point I disagree with. The world is getting more complex, but we are still encumbered with simplistic to complicated organizational structures. We need new organizational structures (something like value networks or chaords) but these cannot be managed in a traditional command & control way. I guess I should have said it that way initially. Thanks very much for your comment.