@hjarche - nice post summarizing learning professionals' frustration with the Kirkpatricks. They could benefit from some informal and social learning, for sure. One has to believe that while they seem slow to arrive that they will eventually get there - they have a responsibility to get there.

@JudithELS - no kidding, right? Those of us in the trenches day-to-day think little of all of this. We design after having absorbed the issues, the pain, the deficits, the successes, the known, the unknown, the confusion and even the politics ...models are for the bean counters, I suppose.